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IthilanorStPete · Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 1:48 pm Post subject:

...Whatever. I could probably go on, but it's nitpicking at this point. *shrug*

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Pex · Knight Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 103 Location: Australia

I think it's generally goes with overall philosophy of the Night Watch - they take risks all the time. When Qhorin picked Jon up for his group, he knew what he got. If you see things the way you do, then the whole bringing of Jon in the first place was a risk.

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Barba · Squire Joined: 02 Aug 2007 Posts: 12

There are reasons why Jon was picked up.

First, he was fighting wright, what is much harder than fight a man. you have to conquer your own fear
Second, he is Lord's bastard, so he learned swordfight since he was a kid. He is skilled swordsman, although there are lot better than him. not to mention that his uncle Ben was well known, and blood is not water.
Third - Ghost.

other than that, I think that Wildings know the worst and the most honorable raiders, and Quirin knew that if he only took that kind of people, there was no way they could get in the wilding's camp the way Jon could. Jon is honorable, but the wilding's didn't know that

Hodor · hodor! Joined: 02 May 2007 Posts: 381

Why is Doran Martell known as the prince of Dorne but all of the heads of the other families are known as lords?

Was this covered in the books? If so, I don't remember it.

Akul · Hedge Knight Joined: 23 Jul 2007 Posts: 84

It is a tradition in Dorne for their rulers to be named Prince, rather then the King or Lord.

I think that it is written in appendix.

Metallingus · Commoner Joined: 28 Jul 2007 Posts: 4

Hodor wrote:

Why is Doran Martell known as the prince of Dorne but all of the heads of the other families are known as lords?

Was this covered in the books? If so, I don't remember it.

Speculation: I think it's because Dorne isn't making an open effort to take the Iron Throne. Of course, it seeks to do so through the Quentyn/Dany union (and possibly the Trystane/Myrcella union) but otherwise Dorne's intention of taking the throne is pretty much under wraps. I would think that as of AFFC, Dorne is a pseudo-neutral body that does not seek to get involved in the war (yet) but has no love for House Lannister (and Tommen Lannister-Baratheon as a result) either.

Plus, it's for the same reason that Mace Tyrell and prominent heads of house like Paxter Redwyne don't style themselves kings, I would think. Simply put, calling yourself king = tantamount to rebellion. (i.e. Robb, Stannis, Euron, et al)

Just my two cents, could be wrong.

Akul · Hedge Knight Joined: 23 Jul 2007 Posts: 84

Um.... what does taking over the throne has to do with the fact that rulers of Dorne, before and after they became the part of 7 kingdoms, call themeselves Prince?

And the question wasn't about why do they call themeselves Kings, but why don't they call themeselves Lords.

k · Knight Joined: 20 May 2007 Posts: 136 Location: U.S.A.

I think Jon would have killed the sentry if It hadn't turned out to be a woman. How could the halfhand have known?

It's not untill you date a few of them that you muster the ability to killl them.

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**Winterfell** · Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:55 am Post subject:

Is that a confession k? Laughing

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k · Knight Joined: 20 May 2007 Posts: 136 Location: U.S.A.

Perhaps I should have used desire instead of ability.

In which case it would have been a confession.

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Dragatus · Commoner Joined: 23 Jul 2007 Posts: 4

Hodor wrote:

They had a horn. The man Stonesnake jumped tried to blow it.

Exactly. The man Stonesnake jumped tried to blow it. Quorin sent Stonesnake to the the hard job and Jon to help by doing the easier part and to get some experience.

Hodor wrote:

Why is Doran Martell known as the prince of Dorne but all of the heads of the other families are known as lords?

Was this covered in the books? If so, I don't remember it.

This isn't an official explanation but my reasoning is that in the old days the other lords were called "king" and while Targaryens couldn't allow other kings in their new realm, a prince is less than a king so the Martells could keep the traditional title. And IIRC Dorne became a permanent part of the Seven Kingdoms by marriage rather than by conquest, which no doubt improved their bargaining position.